The night Democracy in the UK was declared dead

[Mike Hawkins]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15442765

Big of Cameron to declare no animosity towards the "rebels".

My animosity is towards the MP's who decided they knew better than the electorate (including our own MP, Dr. Andrew Murrison), and denied the people of the UK a vote. The "rebels" were those who represented the people!!

As I am not trusted by Andrew Murrison to vote on a single issue (membership of the EU), I feel he does not trust me to vote for a single person to be my spokesman on a number of issues! Therefore I no longer vote for Andrew Murrison!

This issue also proves what a complete "waste of space" Camerons idea of people voting on what MP's will discuss! It will obviously only be OK if it is something Cameron and Co want to discuss, and he will instruct (as will Labour and the Lib Dems) members in a way as to toe the party (minority executive) line!

UK Democracy finally died last night!

[charlie finbow]

I'm not surprised lets face it Big Dave went into  a meeting with the energy companies saying he would back the consumer.

Different line when he came out "we all have to switch things off and have more insulation".

Cos he likes the tax the energy companies pay into the coffers and doesn't want to lose that.

I remember when Diesel was half the price of Petrol.   We were told be good to our planet and buy Diesel Cars (so we the Government can rob you blind and put the price up).

Just goes to show the real crooks are in suits.

[badger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15442765

Big of Cameron to declare no animosity towards the "rebels".

My animosity is towards the MP's who decided they knew better than the electorate (including our own MP, Dr. Andrew Murrison), and denied the people of the UK a vote. The "rebels" were those who represented the people!!

As I am not trusted by Andrew Murrison to vote on a single issue (membership of the EU), I feel he does not trust me to vote for a single person to be my spokesman on a number of issues! Therefore I no longer vote for Andrew Murrison!

This issue also proves what a complete "waste of space" Camerons idea of people voting on what MP's will discuss! It will obviously only be OK if it is something Cameron and Co want to discuss, and he will instruct (as will Labour and the Lib Dems) members in a way as to toe the party (minority executive) line!

UK Democracy finally died last night!

I quite disagree Mike Democracy did not die last night the old failed parties finally showed their true colours. It does sadden me with what our elected representatives did last night , Murrison does not suprise me he is most eager to become a PPS at any price , he is not worth a vote as he will not represent anyone apart from his own party line regardless, at the last general election hustings we had him at everyone saying how Eurosceptic he is, and at another saying he supported Gay rights then to have pointed out to him he had voted against all legislation on Gay rights , he has now shown how Eurosceptic he is after last night . The man is not worthy as our MP and he should resign, if not lets hope people are not that stupid to vote him in again.Mike you have been or maybe still are UKIP member , as you will know UKIP does not have whips in their party, the party is run by like minded Individuals or should I say Independent people with their own views , but sharing one issue only to renogatiate Britains placeIn the EU. UKIP does want to leave the EU as it stands at present and return to what we joined in 1973 an EEC bloc. Every other Issue at local level is down to the candidate with some help witha few guidelines from the party on issues , but certainley they do not punish or denigrate members , we know that we are represnting the people only and not ourselves.

[Mike Hawkins]

I quite disagree Mike Democracy did not die last night the old failed parties finally showed their true colours.

Yes, they did - YELLOW!

The only reason I can think of, is that they are all so European, so weak at actually governing a country (thus preferring Brussels to do it for them and be blamed by the "government" when things go wrong,  and they assume the majority of the UK population are anti- European, they did not want the mere electorate telling them how the UK population thinks, But, who knows, the MAJORITY may have wanted to stay in the EU!! They no longer (Con, Lib Dem or Labour) have any credibility as politicians elected to represent the people (and remember they are elected under the "Representation of the Peoples Act).

Apart from the so-called rebels, they are all obtaining money by deception and should be tried and jailed!!

[Bob De'Bilda]

It's a big assumption to make (probably true though in most cases)that MP's toed the party line in voting against a rererendum.
But, in the case of our MP Andrew Murrison who according to MCM is a Euro-Sceptic. How do you know for sure he voted against the majority of his constituency's voters? This could also be the case with other Euro-Sceptic Tories.

Actually, I was hoping there would be a referendum. This would have laid to rest what the population really wants. Talking to friends and family it appears to me to be about a 50/50 split.

[Jimkerr]

Mike i am surprise you voted torie (Therefore I no longer vote for Andrew Murrison!) really this so what coalition is doing this country no good at all employment is rising the poorer are getting poorer but hey the rich are still rich the banker's are doing what they do the fuel companie's get richer.

As for the eu we can't leave what would happen if we give the people the vote we would vote to leave and that would make thing's even worse than it is now we need to get back to prior 2009 and then leave the eu. 

Yours

Jimkerr Your next labour Candidate 

[Mike Hawkins]

Mike i am surprise you voted torie (Therefore I no longer vote for Andrew Murrison!)

Yes, I did vote Tory as I was once, but not now, a party member!

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really this so what coalition is doing this country no good at all employment is rising the poorer are getting poorer but hey the rich are still rich the banker's are doing what they do the fuel companie's get richer.

Just as under the last Government!

As for the eu we can't leave what would happen if we give the people the vote we would vote to leave

[color=teal]I must agree with Bob the Bilda on this. We don't know what the outcome of a vote would be. What we do know is that the present EU is NOT the Common Market the previous referendum was about[/color]and that would make thing's even worse than it is now  (Would it?)  we need to get back to prior 2009 and then leave the eu.  

Why 2009?  The last Labour and previous Major Government did the real harm. This lot just don't have the guts to reverse the damage[/color]

Yours

Jimkerr Your next labour Candidate  

PS: Best wishes as my next Labour candidate, but which election are you referring to - Town/Unitiary in May 2013; or the General election in 2015??  

[Bob De'Bilda]

or the General election in 2015??  

Do you something we don't or are you making the assumption that this con/dem coalition will go the full term?

[Mike Hawkins]

or the General election in 2015??  

Do you something we don't or are you making the assumption that this con/dem coalition will go the full term?

No Bob, I know nothing other than Cameron said this Parliament would serve until May 2013  However, he has also said a lot of things that have turned out to be pure bullsh*t, so we will wait and see!

[Jimkerr]

Well may 2012 will do me 

[Mike Hawkins]

Well may 2012 will do me  

And me, but what lies would they give at this time?  We will Govern for the people of the UK? If so, more bullsh*t!!

[badger]

How to stop a government minister stop in their tracks when they lie about we have to be in Europe.
the other day Caroline spelman was questioned on TV  about why we should get out of the EU etc.
 she said our trade would be severley damaged as over half our trade is with Europe, and coming out would damage us, when it was brought up that it would not because our trade within the EU is under the WTO by 93% so Europe can not Impose any tarriffs on us the WTO is seperate from the EU and these rules can not be broken even by the EU. consequently she went very quiet and had no answer  but the WTO is in dissaray after spluttering a dew garbled words in defence of what she could not argue with.UKIP  are winning the argument and giving true facts to the people and the quicker these self rightous MP's regognise this that the people are now wanting their say On the EU the better.

[badger]

precisley what I thought not one word from the Europhiles on the WTO and the workings or British trade with the EU .However It Is good news the PM has finally woken up and smelt the coffee and refused to negotiate the propsed treaty change or new treaty with the EU zone countries , and withdrawn from the talks.

[Jimkerr]

Well  done Dave for looking after your backbenchers even when we are  in dire straits you show everybody you only care about the rich people in London who along with the Torie backbenchers keep you in your job you should now call a ref on the EU now what you done today was stab us in the back we have less say in the EU than we had before.

But you wont do that Why because the lib Dem's would spilt from this so called coalition and that will not just be disastrous for them but you too. 

[badger]

Its now clear the PM Is In a certain pickle lol,the sad fact is he is not in control now of what is going on, and the  results of this dire mess will not be determined by any eurozone governments or non euro governments , within the EU,The members of the EU have clearly over the years Ignorned the markets , and are now waking up to the fact the markets havent been Ignoring them and everyone will now reap what is coming, It Is the markets that dictate money not Institutions or national governments.